07/3/2011 - The Lord's Day - Evening. – Greetings y’all. Michael Bunker is soooo mad, he's speaking of himself in the third person! As is usual with any true manifestation of God's local body (the true Church), we are always being targeted by the enemy via wolves, false-brethren, false teachers, etc. Michael Bunker has had enough of one particular species of wolf... The Hyper-Dispensational Antinomian (the strange concoction of Antinomian/Paulist/Grace Abuser and Legalistic Self-Worshipping Idolater). I'll explain how these strange mixtures appear in the same person. But these things are right along the lines of what I expose and teach in Modern Religious Idols, but I will get straight to the point...If anyone has ever told you YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE! (wrongly teaching a false doctrine from 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 in order to manipulate you and get you under their own power), or if you yourself have ever taught this horrible teaching... I need you to listen to this sermon.
If you have ever wondered how people can abrogate God's explicit commandments and impose their own vain traditions, I need you to listen to this sermon...
Listen to it 5 times. Learn it. Love it.
It should be 1 hour and 48 minutes long. Get it all.
Oh, and I'd LOVE to hear from any preachers or professing Christians who have gotten this wrong or mis-taught it before.
I remain your servant in Christ Jesus,
Michael Bunker
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14 comments:
While I agree 1 Cor 3 does not tell us what we can or cannot eat or drink I disagree with your almost 2 hour rant as to why you can purchase beer in Walmart. You were rebuked with a scripture verse that didn't fit, but does that make buying beer in Walmart okay? I am not saying drinking is a sin, clearly it is not, but name brand beer and hard liquor is a worldly pastime (hobby!) for millions in this country. Millions abuse it, misuse it and esteem it. Beer and hard liquor commercials promote their product with half naked men and women who try to convince us they are sophisticated, hip and cool. I have a problem with those lies and a personal conviction to not support these companies. I'm not sure if buying beer is a sin, but don't you think we should be cautious when doing something that may give an appearance of evil? Wouldn't it be wiser to just make your own beer, quietly?
Yeah,
It is just really illustrative that people can dismiss abuse of God's Word with a "yeah they misused the scripture, but" in order to get to the really important personal social and political issues of the day. I am just not that guy. Frankly, I don't watch TV so I am not affected one way or another by advertising, and in my orbit there are a whole lot more people who are guilty of stupidity, worldliness, and gluttony than there are those who are guilty of immoderation in lawful things like beer. So no, I do not agree with you. I see the results of 100 years of religious meddling in lawful and historically beneficial practices and benefits, and I would say that the stupid religiousity of teetotalers has caused much more damage than the so called "worldliness" of private individuals choosing to engage in a lawful and healthful act in moderation.
Sure, we can say that I would prefer to go back to making my own beer - not because of any socio-political statement I want to make, because I would drink a beer in a sports bar with TV cameras around me before I'd step foot in most Amerikan modernist whore churches - but because home-brewed beer is better, more healthy, and better fits my philosophy.
That said, I firmly believe that the worldview and mindset that we should blow off or minimize the sin of Bible twisting and abuse of Christians by devils who try to use the Bible to impose their own opinions on others, just to get to the "important" issues of product politics and social engineering by religious pharisees who have already wrecked the world, is not going to go well with me.
I'd drink a beer publicly with the Coleman County Atheist Society (if there was one) before I'd have a tea social with the Charismatic/Baptist Temperance Society (if there was one), because there is a slight opportunity that one of the Atheists might someday repent and go to heaven.
And that's what I think about that.
Michael
Frankly, it amuses me that people who live in cities and according to the rudiments of the world and who have no trouble buying all their food from a grocery that produces and encourages gluttony and obesity, and who work worldly jobs that are wholly and completely part of the system of Mammon and idolatry, can focus their attention like a laser on something that is neither unlawful nor unbiblical. It amuses me that when the teetotaling argument is destroyed out of the Bible, the offender easily slips into the two fallback arguments:
1. It is unhealthful, or
2. What about the appearance of evil?
While totally ignoring these lynchpin arguments in every single other area of their lives. It is a matter of tithing mint and cumin while omitting the weighter aspects of the law. I laugh when I see some worldling, dressed in shorts and a baseball cap, clean-shaven, with an uncovered wife and he is bent out of shape over somebody else drinking a beer in moderation. I just have to shake my head.
Who has stopped eating just because there are fat people?
"I am not saying drinking is a sin"
"I'm not sure if buying a beer is a sin"
Whatever.
I'll tell you what is a sin - trying to impose unbiblical opinions using guilt and manipulation. That is a sin. Everyone is entitled to their own opnion, but when religious people who have even given up cleaning up the outside of their own cup, start trying to spitshine mine, I call BS. Our whole society is a product of this religious nonsense and I want no part of it.
Ok, now I'm done.
M
""I'll tell you what is a sin - trying to impose unbiblical opinions using guilt and manipulation. That is a sin.""
That got right to the crux of it!
Great preaching. These are great truths for the saints. Unfortunately, most "christians" who operate by this HDA system are unable and unwilling to search the scriptures and repent. Their beliefs affirm to them that most of the Bible is irrelevant to them and too difficult to understand. As to antinomianism in general, without the law,and the Spirit renewing us to love it, I guess it is no surprise that so many do not know the true character of God. Therefore they ascribe their own likes and dislikes to Him. For the sake of those who do have ears to hear, please keep preaching and decolonizing our minds.
Listen, I am sorry I came across like a teetotaler. That was not my intention, at all. My question was, should we show caution with alcohol because of its worldly attributes? You are saying no and I don't quite understand that, but maybe I will one day. Honestly, I regret saying anything. Sorry.
Lynn,
Of course we show caution. It is a logical fallacy to assume that because I reject the idea that beer is inherently evil or sinful that I think no one use caution in utilizing it. But the Bible is our guide to that caution, and to take something God gave for our good and for our health and demonize it because of religious intolerance or bigotry is foolish. The Bible teaches us how to make proper use of any thing...
We aren't to be brought into slavery or under the control of any good thing. We aren't to abuse any thing (food, drink, etc.). We aren't to be immoderate in any thing.
I just refuse to classify beer or alcohol into a separate group just because Jesuits and Charismatics decided that 3000 years of history ought to be thrown out.
The Pilgrim's decided to disembark at Plymouth in order to build a brewery (they were headed to Jamestown, but ran out of beer). The first building built by the Puritans in what became Harvard was a brewery. The Puritans and Pilgrims drank beer from birth, and beer saved all of Europe from the disease and plagues caused by tainted water. You would not have been allowed on the Mayflower without your allotment of beer and "Aqua Vitae" (pure grain alcohol) for the trip. The Pilgrim's refused to drink the pure water running in the creeks and rivers of the New World because they had experienced the disease and death brought about by drinking water in Europe.
So I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to plead for some sanity in a world that has decided to demonize inanimate objects while blowing off weightier things, including Bible twisting.
Thanks,
Michael
"trying to impose unbiblical opinions using guilt and manipulation"
I think that is the distillation of the mission statement of the corporate institutional church.
Thank you for sharing this message of truth.
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Thank you for your wonderful sermon. It answered many questions, but has now raised some new ones. I'm now a bit confused by these verses in John 2. I've always read verse 21 as explicitly referring to the physical body of Christ, not His church. If this verse is also referring to His church, in what way is it being torn down and raised back up? Is this speaking of the transition from the old temple system, the veil being rent etc.? If it is only referring to His physical body, what doctrine might we understand regarding the fact that Christ is the only human being with a physical body that is also a temple?
Also, I was a member of the Free Presbyterian Church (which I understand you are familiar with...S. Lee). Leaving aside the heresy of their membership structure for the moment, they had a rule that all members could not drink alcohol. They said that there were differences of understanding among the ruling elders whether the scriptures themselves permitted drinking, but that they were instituting the rule all the same because of the drunken Northern Irish culture that had so influenced their fellowship in the early days (Paisley etc) of the denomination.
Do you understand it to be legal (consistent with the scriptures) for a community such as yours in Santa Anna to impose such a rule in its ordnung even though no one in the community would seek to impose such a rule on other Christians and other Christian communities? I could think of several instances where such a rule might be beneficial. For instance. What if several people in the community had been saved out of alcoholism and sought with the help of their friends to avoid temptation altogether? Is this type of addition to the ordnung unbiblical?
Romans 14:13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
I enjoyed listening to "your almost two hour rant". Please keep up the good work. How do you address scripture verses like Proverbs 31:4 and Proverbs 23:29-35? Not that you owe me any explanation. I've got my own ideas about those verses and am curious about other opinions.
Grace and peace.
Hi Michael
I am thankful for your sermon. It is always an eye opener.
Sanrico
Michael,
Today I re-listened to the HDA heresy sermon. I am so sorry for my initial response. I completely missed your point and I feel horrible about it. All of a sudden today I recognized the words I've heard people say to me, that it's impossible to obey Christ's commandments, so we can't be expected to obey them. When I've heard people say this I didn't know what to say, or even what it was they were actually saying but now I do understand. I understand now how they are wolves.
The wolves in my life will also say the topic we're talking about is not a "salvation issue"...from Christmas to homeschooling to separation to pre-destination. They'll tell me it's just a matter of opinion and that "that God calls us all to different paths". But then they "warn" me my church membership will be revoked if I don't go to church for six months. They love their rules, and despise God's. I get it now. And Lord willing I will "get" more as time goes on.
Unfortunatley I got caught up in my personal experience with alcohol. I know the bondage it's had on people and hate that, but I do understand your points completely and I'm sorry I wasted your time with my pathetic "rant".
I just wanted you to know how foolish I feel about the whole thing and hope that you will receive my apology.
Thank you for your ministry,
Lynn
Lynn,
Of course I forgive you. And thank you for being a very rare example of a professing Christian who actually apologizes and repents when they make a mistake. That is increasingly rare these days. I do thank you.
Michael
"I'd drink a beer publicly with the Coleman County Atheist Society (if there was one) before I'd have a tea social with the Charismatic/Baptist Temperance Society (if there was one), because there is a slight opportunity that one of the Atheists might someday repent and go to heaven." LOL, I love that line!
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